A fascinating conversation i enjoyed with a friend... I like the way we switch from skepticism to Descartes and back to a 'skepticism about skepticism'... :)
hedonese: i get jittery when christians
hedonese: show some bombproof evidences
hedonese: that prove God or whatever
Joe99: the faith thing is actually the key thing
hedonese: bcos i dun think faith can be 'forced' or compelled
hedonese: it has to be an element of risk, (reasonable risk?)
hedonese: heheeh, we cud be mistaken... so plenty of room for humility, learning, trust and healthy dose of doubt
Joe99: yalor
Joe99: but religion
Joe99: any of it
Joe99: for that matter
Joe99: has gone through so much thorhout the ages
Joe99: that sometime
Joe99: for me-ler at least
Joe99: i wonder what the original message was
Joe99: and how much of it hs changed thorugh time
hedonese: yea, man...
Joe99: there has been lotsa interpretation
hedonese: that's something worth thinking abt...
Joe99: we do it even as we are IM'ing each other
Joe99: we are making assumptions
Joe99: don't know right or not
Joe99: haha
hedonese: hahaha...
hedonese: one guy try to wriggle out of it this way
hedonese: he doubted everything tat can be doubted
hedonese: maybe we're not IMing each other
hedonese: maybe we're like those poor souls in Matrix
joe: ya
joe: who knows right
hedonese: all is illusion
hedonese: it is possible, surely
joe: and there is someone that is smmiling at our actions!
joe: man...
joe: see
joe: we;re complicating things
hedonese: so this guy does exactly that... doubt all that can be doubted
hedonese: it's nauseating
hedonese: so he climbed into an oven
joe: which criteria are you applying for this one?
hedonese: and sat there
joe: really?
joe: and?
hedonese: haahah... it's true
hedonese: he stayed there for some time, legend has it
joe: man
hedonese: u cant trust your eyes
hedonese: your thots, maybe some mad scientist is tricking us with drugs
hedonese: we are dreaming
hedonese: this whole thing we think is reality
joe: hmm...
hedonese: and then
joe: thats too far fetched already-ler
hedonese: he came up with something he can't doubt
hedonese: heheh.... he can't doubt the fact that he doubt
joe: back to square 1
hedonese: to doubt doubt, you have to exist first
hedonese: by doubting all things, he realise that he can't doubt tat he doubt
hedonese: so he came up with this famous ditty
hedonese: "I think, therefore I am"
joe: ohh...
joe: is that how that phrase came about?
hedonese: hhehe... yea, he realise that he must exist
hedonese: in order to doubt
hedonese: yup, the advertisement
hedonese: 'i think' series
hedonese: he try to come up with some bomb-proof truths
hedonese: by doubting... realise he can't doubt that he doubts
joe : when was this?
hedonese : and conclude he exists
hedonese : wow, must be 4 centuries ago
hedonese : his name is Descartes
joe : Descartes?
joe : i think i heard about him before.
hedonese : anyway, i dun think it's bomb-proof either hahaa
joe : man
joe : this ppl are deep
joe : i hope i don't end up like that
joe : you know
joe : if you take a subjjefct and really think about it
joe : brood and examine
joe : you'll end up like Descartes
joe : I am sure
hedonese : hahahaa
joe : just can't let go
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hedonese: i get jittery when christians
hedonese: show some bombproof evidences
hedonese: that prove God or whatever
Joe99: the faith thing is actually the key thing
hedonese: bcos i dun think faith can be 'forced' or compelled
hedonese: it has to be an element of risk, (reasonable risk?)
hedonese: heheeh, we cud be mistaken... so plenty of room for humility, learning, trust and healthy dose of doubt
Joe99: yalor
Joe99: but religion
Joe99: any of it
Joe99: for that matter
Joe99: has gone through so much thorhout the ages
Joe99: that sometime
Joe99: for me-ler at least
Joe99: i wonder what the original message was
Joe99: and how much of it hs changed thorugh time
hedonese: yea, man...
Joe99: there has been lotsa interpretation
hedonese: that's something worth thinking abt...
Joe99: we do it even as we are IM'ing each other
Joe99: we are making assumptions
Joe99: don't know right or not
Joe99: haha
hedonese: hahaha...
hedonese: one guy try to wriggle out of it this way
hedonese: he doubted everything tat can be doubted
hedonese: maybe we're not IMing each other
hedonese: maybe we're like those poor souls in Matrix
joe: ya
joe: who knows right
hedonese: all is illusion
hedonese: it is possible, surely
joe: and there is someone that is smmiling at our actions!
joe: man...
joe: see
joe: we;re complicating things
hedonese: so this guy does exactly that... doubt all that can be doubted
hedonese: it's nauseating
hedonese: so he climbed into an oven
joe: which criteria are you applying for this one?
hedonese: and sat there
joe: really?
joe: and?
hedonese: haahah... it's true
hedonese: he stayed there for some time, legend has it
joe: man
hedonese: u cant trust your eyes
hedonese: your thots, maybe some mad scientist is tricking us with drugs
hedonese: we are dreaming
hedonese: this whole thing we think is reality
joe: hmm...
hedonese: and then
joe: thats too far fetched already-ler
hedonese: he came up with something he can't doubt
hedonese: heheh.... he can't doubt the fact that he doubt
joe: back to square 1
hedonese: to doubt doubt, you have to exist first
hedonese: by doubting all things, he realise that he can't doubt tat he doubt
hedonese: so he came up with this famous ditty
hedonese: "I think, therefore I am"
joe: ohh...
joe: is that how that phrase came about?
hedonese: hhehe... yea, he realise that he must exist
hedonese: in order to doubt
hedonese: yup, the advertisement
hedonese: 'i think' series
hedonese: he try to come up with some bomb-proof truths
hedonese: by doubting... realise he can't doubt that he doubts
joe : when was this?
hedonese : and conclude he exists
hedonese : wow, must be 4 centuries ago
hedonese : his name is Descartes
joe : Descartes?
joe : i think i heard about him before.
hedonese : anyway, i dun think it's bomb-proof either hahaa
joe : man
joe : this ppl are deep
joe : i hope i don't end up like that
joe : you know
joe : if you take a subjjefct and really think about it
joe : brood and examine
joe : you'll end up like Descartes
joe : I am sure
hedonese : hahahaa
joe : just can't let go
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