Heard that LT (RZIM) did well at the MMU Melaka interfaith forum, but he couldn't stay for the Christian Fellowship meeting on Tuesday... so I was roped in as 'substitute speaker' yesterday.
Finished work at 5pm, the car heated up at Sg Besi hiway but thank God, arrive safely at about 7.30 pm... It was quite tiring but I never felt so 'alive'. Sharing on this topic close to my heart with such a group of energetic and warm students is what I've always enjoyed doing.
Samuel led a wonderful time of worship. Kinda brought me back to CF days. Since it was kinda last minute thingy (my practice at home sucks!) I was kinda nervous. Havent prayed so hard in a long while! hehe...
Here are some notes from the sharing... I promised to show you guys this article on Asking Questions didn't I?
Apologetics aims to give seekers or critics a reason for the faith we have in Christ. It could involve removing obstacles to faith, ‘taking the roof off’ (2 Cor 10:5) and give positive evidences.
Examples of Jesus’ chat with Samaritan woman/Sadducees and Paul in Athens… It should involve reasons of the heart also, not just intellectual arguments.
Why is it important?
1) “Faith is believing what you know ain’t true?” (Oscar Wilde) If there are reasons or proofs, where is the room for faith? If got faith, why need reasons?
Biblical faith is beyond reason, but not against reason. It is not blind faith or intellectual suicide. Faith involves knowledge, agreement and personal trust/commitment.
2) Avoid a privately engaging, publicly irrelevant religion
Is the gospel otherworldly? Or does it speak to all of life? Is it relevant to every dimension of human existence – spirit, mind, body, economics, politics etc?
When was the last time you were encouraged to think Christianly as a student of law, business, information technology or education? Demonstrate the Lordship of Christ in all things.
How To Do It?
1) Doing it in conversations. Rethinking evangelism as offering propositional facts only.
Don’t be an answering machine. Ask good questions like Jesus. Be a good listener.
2) Doing it in the context of trust, relationships and demonstration of the gospel.
The ultimate apologetics is love. Be sensitive to the real concern behind the question.
3) Three characteristics of a great ambassador for Christ universities and churches in
Malaysia today - informed, wise/tactful and winsome. Use the power of stories.
4) Seek common grounds or point of contact. Paul approvingly cites pagan philosophers!
How much do we know about Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism or atheism? How do bank workers recognize counterfeits?
Some Possible Objections
1) “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy…” (Col 2:8) It’s a warning against false philosophy. The cure is good philosophy, not ‘no philosophy’.
2) Only the Holy Spirit could touch a person’s heart to believe, not arguments.
Apologetics is not a competitor of God’s work of illumination, but a way in which the Holy Spirit could use in opening peoples’ eyes. It’s like the ministry of transportation, bringing someone to a ‘place’ where they can hear the gospel.
3) Faith like a child? Jesus is talking about humility and dependence of a child, not the ignorance of a toddler.
4) The gospel is the foolishness of God… I come not with persuasive words of wisdom (1 Corinthian 1-2)
But Paul used arguments and reasoning in Acts. He is condemning the false, prideful use of reason, not against reason itself. The crucifixion is offensive to human pride. The Greek sophists spend all their time to improve speaking skills and seek to persuade people by rhetoric, not substance.
Finished work at 5pm, the car heated up at Sg Besi hiway but thank God, arrive safely at about 7.30 pm... It was quite tiring but I never felt so 'alive'. Sharing on this topic close to my heart with such a group of energetic and warm students is what I've always enjoyed doing.
Samuel led a wonderful time of worship. Kinda brought me back to CF days. Since it was kinda last minute thingy (my practice at home sucks!) I was kinda nervous. Havent prayed so hard in a long while! hehe...
Here are some notes from the sharing... I promised to show you guys this article on Asking Questions didn't I?
1 Peter 3:15-16 “But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.”
Apologetics aims to give seekers or critics a reason for the faith we have in Christ. It could involve removing obstacles to faith, ‘taking the roof off’ (2 Cor 10:5) and give positive evidences.
Examples of Jesus’ chat with Samaritan woman/Sadducees and Paul in Athens… It should involve reasons of the heart also, not just intellectual arguments.
Why is it important?
1) “Faith is believing what you know ain’t true?” (Oscar Wilde) If there are reasons or proofs, where is the room for faith? If got faith, why need reasons?
Biblical faith is beyond reason, but not against reason. It is not blind faith or intellectual suicide. Faith involves knowledge, agreement and personal trust/commitment.
2) Avoid a privately engaging, publicly irrelevant religion
Is the gospel otherworldly? Or does it speak to all of life? Is it relevant to every dimension of human existence – spirit, mind, body, economics, politics etc?
When was the last time you were encouraged to think Christianly as a student of law, business, information technology or education? Demonstrate the Lordship of Christ in all things.
How To Do It?
1) Doing it in conversations. Rethinking evangelism as offering propositional facts only.
Don’t be an answering machine. Ask good questions like Jesus. Be a good listener.
2) Doing it in the context of trust, relationships and demonstration of the gospel.
The ultimate apologetics is love. Be sensitive to the real concern behind the question.
3) Three characteristics of a great ambassador for Christ universities and churches in
Malaysia today - informed, wise/tactful and winsome. Use the power of stories.
4) Seek common grounds or point of contact. Paul approvingly cites pagan philosophers!
How much do we know about Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism or atheism? How do bank workers recognize counterfeits?
Some Possible Objections
1) “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy…” (Col 2:8) It’s a warning against false philosophy. The cure is good philosophy, not ‘no philosophy’.
2) Only the Holy Spirit could touch a person’s heart to believe, not arguments.
Apologetics is not a competitor of God’s work of illumination, but a way in which the Holy Spirit could use in opening peoples’ eyes. It’s like the ministry of transportation, bringing someone to a ‘place’ where they can hear the gospel.
3) Faith like a child? Jesus is talking about humility and dependence of a child, not the ignorance of a toddler.
4) The gospel is the foolishness of God… I come not with persuasive words of wisdom (1 Corinthian 1-2)
But Paul used arguments and reasoning in Acts. He is condemning the false, prideful use of reason, not against reason itself. The crucifixion is offensive to human pride. The Greek sophists spend all their time to improve speaking skills and seek to persuade people by rhetoric, not substance.
Comments
Deric
Did you stay at Robert's place?
Thank you for the hospitality, bro! I felt so welcomed :)
Sojourner,
It wud be my pleasure! My specialty areas are "How to Detect Baloney when you see one?", "What's Informed, Wise and Winsome Ambassador", "Counterstrike Tactics For Conversational apologetics", & Christian worldview stuffs :)
Eve,
I slept on his bed too! Gasp!
On the point of “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy…” (Col 2:8), I really agree that it’s a warning against false philosophy, and not ‘no philosophy’. However, some Christians I know say that the bible itself is sufficient, and no other tools(philosophy, apologetics)is needed. What's your view?
I know 1 Peter 3:15-16 “ Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.” has always been used to "support" apologetics. The illustration you used ("a way in which the Holy Spirit could use in opening peoples’ eyes") is also useful. Is there any other biblical support? (By the way, I am not against apologetics.)
Your points have been brief but useful, thanks!
Will be brief here as well... besides 1 Peter text, a few commonly used texts are 1 Cor 10:5 which is not primarily abt casting prayer bombs at demonic principalities as 'taking every thought captive to be obedient to Christ'. Also, the instances where Paul used arguments and citing pagan philosophers in making his case for the gospel...
of course, Jesus! I'm planning w Leon to do a course on logical thinking using examples of Jesus' conversations with Pharisees, Sadducees and trace how he exposed logical fallacies w well-aimed questions :)
Based on their example, I figure that quoting the Bible works if our society is biblically literate or has some christian culture in place already... but we can't assume that is true everywhere...
So in some cases (in the areopagus, athens i.e.) I'd like Paul's approach of using other tools like history, science etc to build bridges :)
Hope that helps!